Friday, February 6, 2009

Does science conflict with the Bible?

Science by definition means to find truth. I completely agree with that, and the truth points toward an intelligent creation. In today's society, they say the same thing, only they tell you how to do it. If it doesn't agree with secular humanistic views, then it is wrong and anyone who believe otherwise is delusional. People automatically think that intelligent design and creationism is religion, and evolution is science so therefore we must listen to science. For one, intelligent design is not creationism, non-Christians believe in intelligent design. For two, does the evidence point toward evolution? These past years amazing discoveries have been bringing question to Darwin's theory of evolution. I think to a certain point, it comes down to this, people don't want a divine foot involved because they don't want a being that is more powerful and smarter than they are and a being that can judge them for the way they live there life. We see today secular humanism taking over. There propaganda is everywhere. They block out God and try to get people to give up on the idea of god. This is why today God is slowly being removed from public. The Bible says they profess themselves to be wise but later become fools. It doesn't matter how many PH.D's someone ha, they are missing the main point in life.


You guys like science huh? Then lets do some science. You can't disagree with this if you are a scientist. If you disagree with the Bible, then you must not be a scientist. Let's look at some verses.

-The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens. Here are two examples.

Genesis 22:17
"Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies."


Jeremiah 33:22
"As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levities who minister to Me."

Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates of 1021 stars—which is a lot of stars. (The number of grains of sand on the earth's seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more stars, wouldn't it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?)

-The Bible also says that each star is unique.

1 Corinthians 15:41
"There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory."

All stars look alike to the naked eye.* Even when seen through a telescope, they seem to be just points of light. However, analysis of their light spectra reveals that each is unique and different from all others.[1] (*Note: We understand that people can perceive some slight difference in color and apparent brightness when looking at stars with the naked eye, but we would not expect a person living in the first century A.D. to claim they differ from one another.)

-The Bible describes the precision of movement in the universe.

Jeremiah 31:35,36
"Thus says the LORD,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The LORD of hosts is His name):
"If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the LORD,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever."

- The Bible describes the suspension of the Earth in space.

Job 26:7
"He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing."

- The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.

Ecclesiastes 1:6
"The wind goes toward the south,
And turns around to the north;
The wind whirls about continually,
And comes again on its circuit."

- The Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics.

Job 28:25
"To establish a weight for the wind,
And apportion the waters by measure."

The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world's hydro logic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth. (If you are a physics enthusiast, please ignore our omission of the terms mass, gravity, and density from this comment.)

- The book of Leviticus (written prior to 1400 BC) describes the value of blood.

Leviticus 17:11
'For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.'

The blood carries water and nourishment to every cell, maintains the body's temperature, and removes the waste material of the body's cells. The blood also carries oxygen from the lungs throughout the body. In 1616, William Harvey discovered that blood circulation is the key factor in physical life—confirming what the Bible revealed 3,000 years earlier.

- The Bible describes biogenesis (the development of living organisms from other living organisms) and the stability of each kind of living organism.

Genesis 1:11,12
"Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good."


Genesis 1:21
"So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good."


Genesis 1:25
"And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good."

The phrase "according to its kind" occurs repeatedly, stressing the reproductive integrity of each kind of animal and plant. Today we know this occurs because all of these reproductive systems are programmed by their genetic codes.

- The Bible describes the chemical nature of flesh.

Genesis 2:7
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."


Genesis 3:19
" In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return."


It is a proven fact that a person's mental and spiritual health is strongly correlated with physical health.[1] The Bible revealed this to us with these statements (and others) written by King Solomon about 950 BC.

Proverbs 12:4
"An excellent wife is the crown of her husband,
But she who causes shame is like rottenness in his bones."


Proverbs 14:30
" A sound heart is life to the body,
But envy is rottenness to the bones."


Proverbs 15:30
"The light of the eyes rejoices the heart,
And a good report makes the bones healthy."


Proverbs 16:24
" Pleasant words are like a honeycomb,
Sweetness to the soul and health to the bones."


Proverbs 17:22
"A merry heart does good, like medicine,
But a broken spirit dries the bones."

They have cave paintings and other evidence that people inhabited caves. The Bible also describes cave men.

Job 30:5,6
"They were driven out from among men,
They shouted at them as at a thief.
They had to live in the clefts of the valleys,
In caves of the earth and the rocks."

Note that these were not ape-men, but descendants of those who scattered from Babel. They were driven from the community by those tribes who competed successfully for the more desirable regions of the earth. Then for some reason they deteriorated mentally, physically, and spiritually. (Go into a bad part of your town and you will see this concept in action today.)


- The bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle.

Psalm 135:7
" He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth;
He makes lightning for the rain;
He brings the wind out of His treasuries."


Jeremiah 10:13
"When He utters His voice,
There is a multitude of waters in the heavens:
"And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth.
He makes lightning for the rain,
He brings the wind out of His treasuries."

In these verses you can see several phases of the hydrologic cycle—the worldwide processes of evaporation, translation aloft by atmospheric circulation, condensation with electrical discharges, and precipitation.

Job 36:27-29
" For He draws up drops of water,
Which distill as rain from the mist,
Which the clouds drop down
And pour abundantly on man.
Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds,
The thunder from His canopy?"

This simple verse has remarkable scientific insight. The drops of water which eventually pour down as rain first become vapor and then condense to tiny liquid water droplets in the clouds. These finally coalesce into drops large enough to overcome the updrafts that suspend them in the air.


- The Bible describes the recirculation of water.

Ecclesiastes 1:7
"All the rivers run into the sea,
Yet the sea is not full;
To the place from which the rivers come,
There they return again."


Isaiah 55:10
" For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
And do not return there,
But water the earth,
And make it bring forth and bud,
That it may give seed to the sower
And bread to the eater."

- The Bible refers to the surprising amount of water that can be held as condensation in clouds.

Job 26:8
"He binds up the water in His thick clouds,
Yet the clouds are not broken under it."


Job 37:11
"Also with moisture He saturates the thick clouds;
He scatters His bright clouds."

- The Bible describes the Earth's crust (along with a comment on astronomy).

Jeremiah 31:37
Thus says the LORD:
"If heaven above can be measured,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the LORD."

Although some scientists claim that they have now measured the size of the universe, it is interesting to note that every human attempt to drill through the earth's crust to the plastic mantle beneath has, thus far, ended in failure.

- The Bible described the shape of the earth centuries before people thought that the earth was spherical.

Isaiah 40:22
" It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."

The word translated "circle" here is the Hebrew word chuwg which is also translated "circuit," or "compass" (depending on the context). That is, it indicates something spherical, rounded, or arched—not something that is flat or square.

The book of Isaiah was written sometime between 740 and 680 BC. This is at least 300 years before Aristotle suggested that the earth might be a sphere in this book On the Heavens.

This brings up an important historical note related to this topic. Many people are aware of the conflict between Galileo and the Roman Catholic Pope, Paul V. After publishing A Dialogue on the Two Principal Systems of the World, Galileo was summoned to Rome, where he was forced to renounce his findings. (At that time, "theologians" of the Roman Catholic Church maintained that the Earth was the center of the universe, and to assert otherwise was deemed heretical.)

We could not find any place in the Bible that claims that the Earth is flat, or that it is the center of the universe. History shows that this conflict, which took place at the time of the Inquisition, was part of a power struggle. As a result, scientific and biblical knowledge became casualties—an effect we still feel to this day. Scientists only found out not to long ago that the universe is expanding! Just like the verse said!

- The Bible suggests the presence of nuclear processes like those we associate with nuclear weaponry. This is certainly not something that could have been explained in 67 AD using known scientific principles (when Peter wrote the following verse).

2 Peter 3:10
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up."


The television is a practical (if not always worthwhile smile ) device that uses electromagnetic waves (which transmit its video signal). The Bible contains passages that describe something like television—something that allows everyone on earth see a single event. (Note: such passages typically refer to the end of time. It may not be long before all of us learn for sure whether the Bible is true or not.)

Matthew 24:30
"Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."


Revelation 11:9-11
"Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them."

- Things In The Bible That Science Can Not Explain

In the last 100 years (and especially in the last ten) scientists discovered many proofs that confirm the Bible's accuracy. Since these proofs support the accuracy of the text we can understand scientifically, it makes sense to trust the Bible's text that we can not yet understand. (For example, how many people knew what hydrothermal vents were 30 years ago?) If you would like to see the proof we have for the accuracy of the Bible.

I want to know how someone, like the people in the Bible knew about all this that long ago. I can go on and on. It's not a fairy tale people, it's something else, maybe... the word of the true living God! You just can't refute this, it's true. The only alternative of evolution is..... creation. You pick. With all this, plus prophecy, I would say the Bible is the truth.



The debunking of skeptical claims on Biblical science:





These are some things people bring up:


The Bat:

They say that the Bible calls a bat a bird. Is this true? Yes, the Bible does in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. But what exactly is a bat? Leviticus and Deuteronomy was written in Hebrew originally. In the Hebrew language, the word "bird" means "owner of a wing". So a bird, bat and dinosaurs counts as a bird in the Hebrew LANGUAGE.

The unicorn:

The Bible does mention a unicorn a lot. If you are a Young Earth creationist, you might suggest that the unicorn is a dinosaur. Even if this is true, there is still many other animals that would be considered a unicorn. People are actually ignorant of what a unicorn actually is. No, it is not a white pony with a magical horn, it is just a creature with a horn. Unicorn means "1 horn". So this creature could be a rhino, or anything with a horn.

Giants:

I do believe giants use to live on Earth. There is evidence of this and the Bible clearly talks about them. We find bones, tools, drawings and carvings all over the place. There is even legends found around the world about giants. The Hindu's believe that there gods originally created giants that could pull trees out of the ground is how they are described. Ancient Greece believed in the "titans". Could these be fables? Or were there really giant men? There structures, forts and everything showing evidence that it was probably built by giants. Some even believe they found places were giants might of stayed. I think there is overwhelming evidence that giants existed.





Does the Bible teach a flat earth?
Many people give a bad rap for Christians for thinking they believe in a flat Earth. This is just simple not true and I find it very silly. For one, we do have photographs of the Earth and it is indeed spherical. I think a spherical Earth only shows the power and handy work of God. It is like a basketball, we know someone designed that ball, so someone had to of designed this big ball we call Earth.

The verses that skeptics throw at us involves sayings like "the ends of the earth" or the "four corners of the earth". Yes, many verses do say these, but it does not mean literal ends or corners of the earth.

It is translated "borders" in Numbers 15:38. In Ezekiel 7:2 it is translated "four corners" and again in Isaiah 11:12 "four corners." Job 37:3 and 38:13 as "ends."

The Greek equivalent in Revelation 7:1 is gonia. The Greek meaning is perhaps more closely related to our modern divisions known as quadrants. Gonia literally means angles, or divisions. It is customary to divide a map into quadrants as shown by the four directions.

Some have tried to ridicule the Bible to say that it teaches that the earth is square. The Scripture makes it quite clear that the earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22).

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in." - Isaiah 40:22

Many skeptics will even object this. They say it says "circle" of the earth. Yes, it does, but did you know that this verse was originally written in Hebrew. The Hebrew word "Khung" literally means "sphere". So what that verse really says is "He sits enthroned above the SPHERE of the earth." How did someone like Isaiah, that long go know the Earth was spherical? That verse it taken completely out of context.

There are many ways in which God could have said corner. Any of the following Hebrew words could have been used:

- Pinoh is used in reference to the cornerstone.
- Paioh means "a geometric corner"
- Ziovyoh means "right angle" or "corner"
- Krnouth refers to a projecting corner.
- Paamouth - If the Lord wanted to convey the idea of a square, four-cornered earth, the Hebrew word paamouth could have been used. Paamouth means square.

Instead, God selected the word kanaph, conveying the idea of extremity.

" He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing." - Job 26:7

Does the Bible say that the Earth is supported on pillars?:

"Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble." - Job 9:6

There is another verse were it talks about these "pillars". I don�t think it literally talks about pillars supporting Earth. Pillars could be rock under the earth, and in some cases, pillars could even mean kings or rulers.

The Bible is very vague, and to a certain point, I think has it vague for a good reason. But science doesn�t have ANYTHING against the Bible. They only agree, I think the Bible has a lot of science in it and that is why I believe the Bible is inspired by the creator.

http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

God bless.

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